It isn't our job to dictate to people how to maintain a base standard of human decency toward one another, and we're not going to do so.

The bottom line is that it's down to members of the community to know where the line crosses from common decency to harassment. We will not draw a line in the sand so that people can skirt on the edge of it and bend the rules as much as possible.

This isn't a debate about what constitutes "harassment". If you're not familiar with the word, find the definition in a dictionary and that will satisfy your question.

What we will do, is continue to use best judgement on a case by case basis to ensure that real life harassment is kept out of the game, and ensure that those who choose to involve themselves in such activities are no longer permitted to be part of our community.

Cut and dried, that's all we have to say on the matter.

You know full well, that if they say it's ok, these douchecicles will just strain that ruling to its limit and will then try to rules lawyer their way out of trouble when they're caught bullying people again.

But maybe your point is that in this particular case it is too ambiguous?

I don't want to get banned for hurting someone's feelings when I blow up their ship...

No, I'm honestly hoping it doesn't come to that at all. If it happens again, the very first thing I'll do is go through the proper channels of the petition system, as I did last time, in the hope that CCP does what they're apparently committed to doing - making their online community a secure environment where real life harassment is not allowed to perpetuate.

I'm 100% down with that ideal. I just want to see them enforce it with consistency.

*snip*

Exactly how many times have stepped on a land mine?

Have you been doing the things that got the others blown up?

If you have stepped on one you now know better.

I'm boned then, been doing it for years.
double boned

Not sure why anyone would think this is about the bonus room ...
... or the bonus room only. Was there proof?


Did I miss something?


Curious.

What kind of player are you? PvP? Carebear?

I have a feeling that the answer would have something in common with your results.

Anyone on here got kids, grandkids? Ever seen them come home in tears after being constantly bullied at school?

Bullying is a ******* disease as bad as cancer and it has to be stopped, and not just out there in the real world.

Bullshit, tell it to the family of the girl that hung herself over it.

And then read the first line of my post.

So the question you avoid: What do YOU do, that someone gets so agitatet?

I assume, that you willingly provoke those actions. So in the end, you wouldn't have shot someone, you humuliate them out of the game, when they react the way you plan for.

Yes thats what i meant.

First response: LOL

Second response (after composing myself): This standard would damn far more carebears than gankers, see: minerbumping.com.

Stance, maybe (or not). Poor investigation practices, no. This is the third time this year that a bunch of people were banned for something they had absolutely nothing to do with. CCP should not be applauded for this.

And as for this, did people's real identities ever come into the bonus rooms? I've only listened to one fully and it was character names all around.

No body is arguing that singransom is not legit.

And you have reported all these incidents to CCP? If not, please specify why.

You cannot argue double standards and vague enforcement if you don't do your part to make sure that those infractions are handled through CCP to make a better basis for larger incidents.

And you know that they haven't received a warning or a temporary ban because you have access to the GM system?

Send a new ticket, argue that you almost committed a suicide in real life because your feelings were hurt so badly, that should get you results.

You'd also have to stop suicide ganking in the process to be seen as an actual victim, but I guess that's part of the deal to get justice.

can't we just suicide gank and scream on each other's teamspeak without victimizing anyone in real life?

(Sohkar's entire "fortune" was worth about $30, or less than an hour of RL work in my case).

I hardly expect CCP to clarify this any further, not because they believe people will simply dance on the edge of the line, but because they simply don't have a line drawn and enforcement is absolutely down to the whims of whatever GM handles a given case.

So, it's just self admitted personal incredulity. You have no fault with the actual ban, you just can't tell right from wrong, from being in the spirit of eve to taking it into the realms of harassment? That does sound a lot like a personal problem.

So you complain on the forums, instead of posting evidence to CCP and taking it to the authorities? Nice, real believable. The sheep are out for round two of their rhetoric, and the anger has built up inside them. I slept well last night guys, knowing those who take it into the realm of harassment were punished accordingly.

so racism and real life threats are fine as long as i keep it in the game, and it's not a new player?

"Your Honour, when we robbed that bank no one told us we shouldn't have done it. No police officer came to our door telling us to stop so we just assumed that made it ok to do and kept doing it. It's just not fair [stamp foot] that you send us to jail for something no one told us to not do!"

Here's where CCP state their harassment policy, as well as policy on people breaking "real life" law: http://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/eve-banning-policy/

Here's a list of US state laws about cyber harassment: http://www.ncsl.org/research/telecommunications-and-information-technology/cyberstalking-and-cyberharassment-laws.aspx

Here's where the UK state their harassment (it encompasses cyber harassment) law: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1997/40/contents

Here's a report by the European Highcourt about cyber harassment: http://etuce.homestead.com/publications2010/06.2010_report_closing_conference_bratislava_en.pdf

Here's a statement from the United Nations about cyber harassment: http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2009/note6207.doc.htm

As a victim of harassment, do you believe CCP should ban players who harass others?

So how do you define the difference between harassment of a real person and hurt feelings?

See, this is where I disagree. I don't think you need to know the person, in order to attack them out of game.

I too agree that laughing at another persons misfortune isn't grounds for harassment.

Though, suppose this completely hypothetical: I invited you onto a VOIP program, insulted you for 6 hours ranging from your nationality to implying the way you talked inferred your sexual orientation, and then uploaded that with the intent to share to others, for them to laugh.

In that hypothetical situation, would you deem them harassing the character, or the person behind it? Should CCP ban me for having met each other on the forums, and escalating it from there?

I'm merely responding to your tone.

Stop being so abrasive to strangers.

So is he.

I am acting out of emotional grief caused by his posting.

Please be respectful.

Oh, so it's ok when he and you do it, but it's not ok for me. Is it because I'm a woman?

You simply do not get to tell me what to do, EVER, am I clear?

Neither does yours.

Well, at least you know how I feel now.

That's what you think.

Or so you claim.

Also, I'm not going to kill myself because of your stuff.

Now you're just starting to bully me.

I repeat, you won't get me to harm myself.

I won't let your ignorant hate speech get to me. I'm stronger.

Except that you're wholesomely wrong.

Yet, being emotionally affected is admissable in court.

Boom.

Likewise. On what grounds are people allowed to randomly insult me and tell me to kill myself?

Calling me an idiot was unprovoked.

Secondly, let's assume that you wanted me to delete my character. That doesn't really prevent me from being here. What you should've told me was to unsub. Instead, you told me to biomass, which is an euphemism for suicide in this case.

You're just singling me out because I'm black.

I'm just defending myself against sexist racialist bigotry coming from you.

Oh, and I really don't appreciate being compared to anti-vaccers.

As a gay black jewish member of the ***, I find your attitude towards me reprehensible.

No.

Not gonna get me to kill myself, tyvm.

You don't get to tell me what to do.

More people of your caliber in this game though, and EVE will die. Maybe that's your intent though...

Lots of people like me, you just don't get to be one of them, because you're toxic.

Or so you claim.

Really? I almost felt bad for you for a second.

to clarify, please cease posting,paying your subscription to ccp and/or delete the character named "Ria Nieyli" (other wise reffered to as Biomassing)

I just stated my opinion that i am full of joy that a group of extremely arrogant, selfish, lying bullies have been removed from my favorite game and that the eve universe is a better place now.

I think you accidentally added a zero on that page count. You meant page 4, of course. Right?

When E1 is going to bat for you, it might be time to rethink your viewpoint.